Today, we continue our study through Perspectives on Election. We've reached the point where we need to discuss texts from the Pauline corpus.
Again, we'll begin with Dr. Ware. "One of the clearest and strongest assertions of the unconditional nature of God's election is given by Paul in Romans 9:10-16" (Ware 9). Maintaining that some scholars believe that this particular passage is in regards to calling for service rather than salvation, Ware points to the beginning of the chapter and then 10:1-4 to make a stand for Paul speaking of salvation. He makes mention of God's concern for Israel's salvation (ibid). However, Ware then somehow moves to an individualistic idea of salvation (for those loved enough to be chosen). "As Paul explains, before the two had been born, and before either had done anything good or bad, God chose Jacob over his older brother Esau" (Ware 10).
Ware then moves to Romans 11:5-7. Interestingly enough, Dr. Ware returns now to a nationalistic view of salvation (the nation of Israel). Based on this passage, Ware argues the Apostle is referring to a gift of election and not salvation (12, emphasis mine). In other words, although the nation of Israel was chosen by God, only a select "remnant" from the nation was elected. Again, Dr. Ware states, "Here God's grace is not only grace (unmerited favor) that saves but grace (unmerited favor) that elects. Those who otherwise would be hardened in their rebellion are instead saved, and this has happened only because God's grace has elected them to be saved. Election then is unconditional" (12-13).
Cottrell begins his statements in regards to Romans 9:10-16. "As I argue in my own essay in this book, the point is unconditional election to service, not to salvation" (Cottrell 60, emphasis his). According to Cottrell, where Dr. Ware errs is using the beginning of Chapter 9 and 10:1-4 to make his argument in regards to the type of election. "This argument [election to salvation] is fallacious, however, because the issue is not whether the passage is about salvation but whether the election to which the passage refers is about salvation..."(ibid., emphasis his).
As to Romans 11:5-7, Cottrell distinguishes the "election" in this passage from that in Chapter 9 - this being for the purpose of salvation and the previous for service. Cottrell makes the point "The error here is to equate unconditional and undeserved" (60-61).
Personal Thoughts
1. I recognize some see this study as somewhat tedious. More about that in another post.
2. I've attempted to and will continue to provide "both sides" of the issue as described in Perspectives on Election. From time to time, I will point out what I perceive to be strengths or weaknesses with both sides.
3. I've pointed out above that I think it strange for Dr. Ware to choose his text, make the argument (in this case seeing the salvation of Israel as a nation) and then changing the argument (to a more individual salvation), before returning again to his previous thought of Israel. If Paul is writing with any coherence, wouldn't it make sense for him to continue the previous thought (God's relationship with Israel as a nation)? For those interested, the pizza man has a good post here in regards to Romans 9.
4. Next week: Election in Ephesians 1
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10 comments:
Wonderful post and subject.
I think it is so timely and important for every believer. It is something that we should look at closely. God bless your desire for sharing the truth with voters. God bless! I am looking forward to your next...
Until then, hope you have a wonderful weekend.
Thanks for sharing this, Mike. I agree with you here. I've been a bit here and there during my life on election, but now am there. I mean- ha- more in the idea that Christ is the Elect One, and all who put their faith in Christ, by virtue of him, become elect ones. Alot more on it than that in Scripture. But I guess for me that's an important start.
Thanks Kinney! I read BW3 as well. His voting guide was amazing.
Blessings!
Mike
Gracious words Ted!
I've had some reservations about a weekly study as "deep" as election. But after praying about it for some time, I believe the time is right. The challenge is not getting bogged down.
I really appreciate how you describe the elect in Christ. I intend to post on this in a few weeks. Thanks again for the encouragement.
Blessings,
Mike
Very interesting series. Thanks for the plug too.
Thanks Kevin. The plug is deserved. I look forward to the next in your series.
Hi Mike. I enjoy reading your blog, especially thes posts on election matters. I would like to weigh in with a few thoughts on some of these matters if that's okay.
1. Jesus is the Elect One.
2. God elected us in Christ before the creation of the world.
- "us" refers to dead sinners. we were children of wrath by nature before we knew/believed God had elected us to be children of mercy by grace.
- "before creation" means no one becomes elect when they believe. better to say we believe because God elected/chose us before we believed.
3. Romans 9-11. I agree that Paul was addressing Israel's covenant relationship with God. Note that he makes a distinction between national and spiritual Israel. "Not all who are of Israel are Israel" for salvation is by grace not race.
4. As Gentile I am more interested in the spiritual and theological principle(s) of election unto salvation which are also taught in Romans 9-11.
5. No doubt, Abraham, Moses, Elijah were elected unto service, but so were Esau and Pharaoh. Whether election is unto salvation or service, God's purpose in election is not the same for everyone.
6. God's election is eternal. Our experience of election is historical and personal.
7. "Chosen by grace" is one my favorite phrases.
jomato,
You wrote:
2. God elected us in Christ before the creation of the world.
- "us" refers to dead sinners. we were children of wrath by nature before we knew/believed God had elected us to be children of mercy by grace.
- "before creation" means no one becomes elect when they believe. better to say we believe because God elected/chose us before we believed.
Actually, the "us" refers to believers as only believers are "in Him." To suggest that the passage means that sinners were "in Christ" prior to creation would be to affirm that they were always saved since "there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Rom. 8:1) And yet Paul tells them plainly that they were all "children of wrath" prior to conversion (Eph. 2:3).
Nor does the passage say we were elected "to be" in Christ which is what you would need it to say to maintain your position that this is speaking of an election of dead sinners to "become" Christians.
Rather, when we believe we are sealed in Christ (Eph. 1:13) and then share in all of the spiritual blessings that reside in Christ which includes election (Eph. 1:3, 4). So His election becomes our election just as His death becomes our death and His life becomes our life, etc. Only "in Him" do we receive the benefits of the atonement (1:7).
So Paul can say that we are "chosen in Him" because when He was chosen before the foundation of the earth (for only Christ existed to be chosen prior to creation, 1 Pet. 1:20) those who would come to be in union with Him were also chosen even though they did not yet exist (1 Pet. 2:5, 9, 10; Eph. 1:22,23; 2:19-22).
God Bless,
Ben
Welcome Jomato!
Thanks for the kind words. I also read your blog from time to time. Thanks for the response here.
You said:
1. "Jesus is the Elect One."
- I completely agree.
2. "God elected us in Christ before the creation of the world."
- "us" refers to dead sinners. we were children of wrath by nature before we knew/believed God had elected us to be children of mercy by grace.
- "before creation" means no one becomes elect when they believe. better to say we believe because God elected/chose us before we believed.
- Would you help me with a verse/passage here? I hear what arminianperspective is saying above, regarding 8:1. I would also point out 8:28 "those who love God, who are called according to His purpose"
As to your second point here, I believe the entirety of mankind to be elect before the creation of the world (Jn 3:16, 1 Jn 2:2). After all, only man is created in the image of God. That said, God has foreknowledge of who will accept and love Him and those who won't.
3. "Romans 9-11. I agree that Paul was addressing Israel's covenant relationship with God. Note that he makes a distinction between national and spiritual Israel. "Not all who are of Israel are Israel" for salvation is by grace not race."
- Agreed. Heritage has little to do with a relationship. PTL for grace!
4. "As Gentile I am more interested in the spiritual and theological principle(s) of election unto salvation which are also taught in Romans 9-11."
- I hear ya. But Paul has made his case regarding election previous to Romans 9.
5. "No doubt, Abraham, Moses, Elijah were elected unto service, but so were Esau and Pharaoh. Whether election is unto salvation or service, God's purpose in election is not the same for everyone."
- God has in mind that all men know Him. Consider 1 Tim 2:4. The Greek "pas/pantas" has always meant all, entire, or everyone.
6. "God's election is eternal. Our experience of election is historical and personal."
- I agree that God's election is eternal. But I'm afraid we might disagree with what that means. God desires a relationship with everyone for eternity; however, my personal decision limits how much I know God.
7. ""Chosen by grace" is one my favorite phrases."
- Amen!
Thanks for showing Marq. Love ya bro!
Mike
I have been in Kentucky and away from the blogosphere for the past week. It seems the conversation has moved on.
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